“You are not to be called ‘rabbi…’ and call no man on earth ‘father?’” – Matthew 23:8-9 – Kenneth Hensley

June 28, 2016

Fuller Theological Seminary product and former Baptist pastor Kenneth Hensley joins Marcus Grodi to look at one of the main verses some Bible-only Christians use to try and prove that Catholicism is unbiblical.  Are Catholics violating a core teaching of Jesus if they call priests ‘father?’  If so, does that also mean we sin by calling anyone ‘rabbi,’ ‘teacher,’ ‘master,’ or even ‘mister?’  In our ongoing exploration of hard verses in the Bible, Marcus and Ken dig into this passage, which has long been the focus of debate in Protestant-Catholic conversations.

Ken is online at kennethhensley.com.


Headship and Submission, in the Family and in the Church - Ephesians 5:21-23 - Steve Wood

June 15, 2016

When Ephesians 5 pops up in the lectionary, every pastor knows what kind of fallout they need to be prepared for.  Does submission in a family relationship diminish the value of certain members?  What are the implications for the Church in regard to obedience to hierarchy?  Can someone who is given a Biblical mandate to lead and govern forfeit the legitimacy of their claim to authority through immoral or imprudent behavior?  Marcus Grodi and Steve Wood look at the meaning of authority and obedience in an age where rebellion and disobedience seem to be heralded as virtues.


“He who does not love does not know God; for God is love.” - I John 4:8 - How do we know if we really love God?

June 3, 2016

In a world where your feelings toward your spouse, your car, your job, and your favorite food can all be described with the word "love," what are we supposed to make of God's call to love our neighbor as ourself?  Marcus Grodi and Jim Anderson take an in-depth look at the implications of God's greatest commandment- to love Him, and secondly, to love one another as He loves us.


“Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ loved the church… cleansing her by the bath of water with the word”; Ephesians 5:25-26 - What is the meaning of that bath of cleansing?

May 24, 2016

One of the more controversial chapters in the Bible for pastors to preach on is Ephesians 5, because of Paul's statement about wives submitting to their husbands.  Deacon Alex Jones addresses another challenging portion of the same chapter- when Paul says a husband should lay down his life for his wife, "cleansing her by the bath of water with the word."  In his Pentecostal days, Deacon Alex saw salvation through receiving the word of God as primary, and the washing of water through Baptism as merely a later affirmation of what had happened when the word was received.  He and Marcus discuss the historical teaching of the Church in regard to this passage from St. Paul's letter to the Ephesians.


Contraception & the Church: “Do not conform yourselves to this age” with Kimberly Hahn

May 17, 2016

***The Devil tried to stop us, but this episode was just TOO GOOD not to share! (The first several minutes of this program contain some technical difficulties, but it is worth pushing through. Please “offer up” the slight inconvenience with the intention that Mrs. Hahn’s testimony may bear fruit in the lives of listeners struggling with this topic.)


Marcus welcomes former Presbyterian and dear friend Kimberly Hahn to the program to discuss a Bible verse to which it was particularly hard for her to submit her will when considering the teachings of the Catholic Church.

In this episode, Marcus and Kimberly discuss Romans 12: 1-2, in which all Christians are called to submit both body and mind to the Lord, and issues including life, contraception, and discernment within marriage and family.

Scripture verses: Romans 12:1-2 — “I urge you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to offer your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and pleasing to God, your spiritual worship. Do not conform yourselves to this age but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and pleasing and perfect.”

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“I am filling up what is lacking in the afflictions of Christ on behalf of his body, which is the church.”; Colossians 1:24- What could be lacking from Christ’s sacrifice?

May 11, 2016

In Paul's letter to the Colossians, he tells them a number of astonishing things.  Not only does he rejoice in his sufferings, but he sees them as a way to identify with, and even supplement, the sufferings of Jesus.  Former non-denominational pastor Jeff Cavins joins Marcus Grodi to talk about the mystery of suffering, and how we can make sense of it, through a personal relationship with Christ.

Order Jeff's book, "When You Suffer," here.

Jeff's talk on redemptive suffering is part of the Deep in Christ conference set, "The Catholic Paul?"  Order it in the CHN store.


“In every place incense is offered to my name, and a pure offering…”; Malachi 1:11- What sacrifice would one day be offered in places all over the world?

May 5, 2016

Patristics expert Mike Aquilina talks with Marcus Grodi about the reverence that the Fathers of the Church had for the prophecy books of the Old Testament, how the Mass took the offering of a pure sacrifice outside the temple walls into every community that celebrated the Eucharist.

Find links to dozens of books by Mike through his website: fathersofthechurch.com.


“For you repay each man according to his deeds.” Psalm 62:13, More on Faith & Works

March 24, 2016

Marcus Grodi & Jim Anderson start with Psalm 62 and discuss the difficulties among Christians in understanding Biblical references to Faith and Works.


“We love because he first loved us.” – 1 John 4:19, Steve Wood’s Hard Verses

March 18, 2016

Steve discusses how in a variety of Christian circles, both Protestant and Catholic, it is difficult to really grapple with what it means for God to have “first loved us.” For this reason so much of the Catholic Catechism focuses on teaching about who God is. In this episode of Deep in Scripture, Marcus & Steve reflect on how they approached this verse from their respective Christian backgrounds and how other scriptures and the guidance of the Church have clarified their thought.

Scripture verse: 1 John 4:19